We debated dissecting their discussion on Galactic Suburbia because it was so fascinating to listen to two men utterly fail to grasp the issue. At all. But in the end, we have decided not to do so (nor to link to it) because really, that would involve a discussion on Feminism 101 which, as you know, we're not covering in this year's course options.
strangedave covers it in part here but I feel a need to sort of at least say, in public, that in going over the two places where I publicly discussed the issue - here on this blog and over at Michael Swanwick's blog, I never actually was anything other than calm and polite. I merely stated that for this science fiction fan, a book without all but one female author, did not appear to be a "must have" and that I would not be buying it. I also said that I wasn't really interested in following the work of the kind of editor for whom gender is not an issue. Which is true - cause it's of no interest to me. And thus I won't be spending money on things that I am not interested in. Sure I did use the word "shout" and also "loud" in my blog post but I was never angry, rude, unkind, or unfair.
And what therefore remains utterly fascinating to me is the repainting of what I said into "angry" and thus "angry feminist" and therefore should and can be ignored. Because that is a more palatable reading of the text for those two men on the podcast. I was not any of those things. And yet, I was still to get in trouble for voicing my own opinion. Which last time I checked, was a) the right of the individual in a free country and b) the role of a critic.
That, and the way some people really think that the only experience of life is theirs.
My summary of their podcast was this tweet:
So in summary we were right, the dude was wrong, he understands why we were angry but his problem is we shouldn't have VOICED it
And you know, that's why we still have to have the conversation, whether those two dudes are tired and over it or not. Because what they said was that *I* didn't have a right to speak out and say something.